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    Quote Originally Posted by ProDarwin View Post
    I want one welded up, ready to drop in. +1 to the above question about the lip/roll on the tubes for sealing.

    I'm starting to wonder what shitty parts-store radiator life would be if our fan-on temp was 205 instead of 221.
    Probably last so much longer. I have to pick up some more alum. For the end tanks. I can pick it up in two weeks. I'll go ahead and do what I can with what I have.

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    iv been running a audi a8 radiator for almost 5 years its 2 core and fits in stock location they are cheap to buy at the junkyard just have to make your own bottom hose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbosaturnsctwo View Post
    iv been running a audi a8 radiator for almost 5 years its 2 core and fits in stock location they are cheap to buy at the junkyard just have to make your own bottom hose.
    Pics please

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    I like the ultra fancy bailing wire mounts

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    Quote Originally Posted by arthursc2 View Post
    I like the ultra fancy bailing wire mounts
    What works works, even if it's not pretty.
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    I could see cutting the tanks off one of those cause of plastic, then making tanks to fit in our space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by siris View Post
    What works works, even if it's not pretty.
    Sure, if you dont have the proper tools to properly fabricate a mount, I guess.

    No matter how you justify it, bailing wire is a half ass fix. Good for temporary solutions, but not for permanent/semi permanent installs

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    Quote Originally Posted by arthursc2 View Post
    Sure, if you dont have the proper tools to properly fabricate a mount, I guess.

    No matter how you justify it, bailing wire is a half ass fix. Good for temporary solutions, but not for permanent/semi permanent installs
    Depends on how you look at it.

    After 10k miles if a zip tie is still holding, I consider it a permanent fix on my own junk.

    Shit I fix for other people, different story.
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    You mean my orange cream soda overflow tank won't cut it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by siris View Post
    Depends on how you look at it.

    After 10k miles if a zip tie is still holding, I consider it a permanent fix on my own junk.

    Shit I fix for other people, different story.
    Exactly

    My used AMR radiator's fan shroud mount points are not straight or square with each other and are made of cheese grade alum to top it off. I got the fan in 3/4 of them, then double ziptied the final in place after shaping it to fit


    Don't look to close at my AC condenser, either. They didn't get those mount points aligned with each other either..
    It's not my fault, blame the radiation.

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    My radiator has been ziptied on for 25k miles. Meh.

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    Only on a Saturn forum

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    Did you expect any thing more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by arthursc2 View Post
    Only on a Saturn forum
    Or any platform with practically zero aftermarket support.
    It's not my fault, blame the radiation.

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    Ummm.......

    Tools & Skills > aftermarket support. You should know that first hand with your design abilities.

    It doesnt take a genius to realize that a little bit of skill, a couple tools (grinder and welder, really) and some metal: a radiator (as well as nearly any component not subject to motion by design) can be mounted securely and permanently. Put some design effort into it, and you could even make it pass as an OEM installation.

    Zip ties, for any platform, Saturn or otherwise: are acceptable for bundling wires, temporary restraints of cables/hoses/wires, repair of broken shifter bushings to get home, etc.

    Under no circumstance is a zip tie considered a permanent tool for installation of critical components. Ask any forum outside of this one.


    In other words, what I heard you say is that it is ok to half ass something, and let your car go to shit because companies dont offer an off the shelf solution to your problem? But yet you think Saturns are the only brand subject to that problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by arthursc2 View Post
    Ummm.......

    Tools & Skills > aftermarket support. You should know that first hand with your design abilities.

    It doesnt take a genius to realize that a little bit of skill, a couple tools (grinder and welder, really) and some metal: a radiator (as well as nearly any component not subject to motion by design) can be mounted securely and permanently. Put some design effort into it, and you could even make it pass as an OEM installation.

    Zip ties, for any platform, Saturn or otherwise: are acceptable for bundling wires, temporary restraints of cables/hoses/wires, repair of broken shifter bushings to get home, etc.

    Under no circumstance is a zip tie considered a permanent tool for installation of critical components. Ask any forum outside of this one.


    In other words, what I heard you say is that it is ok to half ass something, and let your car go to shit because companies dont offer an off the shelf solution to your problem? But yet you think Saturns are the only brand subject to that problem?
    Wow did not mean to poke the bear.

    Let me simplify this.
    1 I don't have a welder
    2 I'm not going to pay an alum capable shop $60 an hour to weld a custom tab onto another tab. Especially when none if the tabs are aligned right in the first place.
    3 Keep in mind our fans are held captive by 3 slots and hooks. The screw just stops it from bouncing out. A zip tie performs the exact same function.
    4 I'm talking about the final security point of holding the Fan on. Not holding my radiator on. I had to bend and grind already to get the AC condenser to mount up right to the radiator.
    It's not my fault, blame the radiation.

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    No bear is poked. I just take offense to this type of thing for many reasons:

    1) I am a certified aluminum welder
    2) I own lots of welding equipment, including a machine capable of AC aluminum welding
    3) I CNC machine for a living
    4) I weld for a living
    5) I know what better solutions exist in the industry for the simple problem of mounting a radiator
    6) I am a perfectionist

    To be fair, I dont actually care how anything on your cars is mounted, I just dont want to be behind you when the radiator falls out. And Zombie, I *wasnt explicitly referring to you, but in the last page of this thread, 2 ppl have admitted to having a half-assed solution to an easy problem, in this case it was retention of one of the most critical cooling components in the system

    EDIT: Also, Zombie: your problem is kind of a vicious circle because you bought what was supposed to be an upgrade to your car, but certainly the AMR radiators are far from that. In your case, I wouldnt consider the AMR radiator "aftermarket support" because I know first hand how shitty they are. The builder in this thread is having some teething problems, but he is dedicated and will sort out the issues. His welding is already better than that I saw on the AMRs, and the one I fixed was utter garbage.
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    Again, you seem to have missed that my radiator FAN is secured by zipties, not the radiator itself.
    It's not my fault, blame the radiation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbosaturnsctwo View Post
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    My radiator has been ziptied on for 25k miles. Meh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZombieSatty View Post
    Again, you seem to have missed that my radiator FAN is secured by zipties, not the radiator itself.
    You seemed to have missed the fact that I wasnt referring to your radiator, but instead to the 2 radiators in this thread that ARE in fact mounted half assed. 1 with zip ties, 1 with bailing wire. I clearly stated I wasnt calling you out, miss that too?

    Quote Originally Posted by arthursc2 View Post
    And Zombie, I *wasnt explicitly referring to you, but in the last page of this thread, 2 ppl have admitted to having a half-assed solution to an easy problem, in this case it was retention of one of the most critical cooling components in the system
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