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    97SC2 Clutch Replacement: Am I forgetting anything?

    OK, time to tackle this before there's no time to get this to my buddy's lift.

    Below is my proposed shopping list which I'm ready to pull the trigger on ---pending input from the forum.
    The only thing not addressed that I am aware of is how we will support the engine while the car is on the lift and the tranny is off.

    I plan to follow Chris Thomas' and Ssicarman's writeups (seems like some plagiarism going on there but whatever) --doing w engine in the car. Unless there are other suggestions -- I am all ears.

    Please comment/critique/bash/compliment/meh the list below and kindly let me know if it looks like a go or if there is a grave omission, please point it out.
    Never changed a clutch before and don't have time to screw this up.

    Thanks

    Derf

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    Clutch Kit: LUK RepSet: pt# 04115 $82.79 (clutch disk, press. Plate, TOB, alignment tool)
    Flywheel: LUK pt# LFW174 $37.39 (Is this truly necessary?)
    Mst/Slv LUK pt# CRS001 $71.79 (Filled/pre-bled)
    Shripping $17.99
    Source: RockAuto SubT: $209.96
    -------
    Shift Tower Gasket GM 21001244 $ 5.71
    Trans Mnt GM 21012951 $ 41.38
    Shripping $ 10.30
    Source: GMPartsNow SubT: $ 57.39
    ------
    Lisle 39510 30mm Axle Nut Socket $15.98
    Shripping $0
    Source: Amazon SubT: $15.98

    Total, parts n tools n shripping: $283.33
    1997 Saturn SC2 M/T 256k DD
    1995 Saturn SC2 M/T 234k given to nephew, just got parked fully functional -- slated for turbo
    2008 Saturn Vue XR A/T 103k 3-5-R then totalled at 5 mph
    1992 Saturn SL2 M/T 42k traded in to to get the 97 SC2 above
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    Quote Originally Posted by derf View Post
    Below is my proposed shopping list which I'm ready to pull the trigger on ---pending input from the forum.
    The only thing not addressed that I am aware of is how we will support the engine while the car is on the lift and the tranny is off.
    Place some shop blocks on the 2 sides of the of the engine bay and a 2 by 4 on edge or 4 by 4 spanning from shop block to shop block. Tie off the engine to the 2 by 4 using the engine lift point using a ratchet strap or chain.

    Here's an alternative method that will give you more room to work on the clutch from above.

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    Looks like a good list. You could cut out the shift tower gasket and hydros if you're trying to save cash but they're both worth doing now while it's all accessible if you can.
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    Clutch Kit: LUK RepSet: pt# 04115 $82.79 (clutch disk, press. Plate, TOB, alignment tool)

    That's where my list would start and end. Flywheel only if something were wrong with it. Everything else can be replaced easily later if there is an issue.

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    Thanks for the input guys.

    I'll start running up the credit card right away.

    I'm doing the hydros because I'm surprised they lasted this long AND bec my former 95 SC2 hydros went at 235K, and it was NOT FUN on I95 near Philly in stop and go traffic. I'm at 255K and counting. Similar driving history for both vehicles.
    I don't think GM ever expected these cars to outlast the service lifetimes of some of the parts....

    Flywheel ordered to be safe, as I can't afford to not finish this job due to finding something wrong with it once I'm in there
    Last edited by derf; 01-31-2017 at 03:20 PM.
    1997 Saturn SC2 M/T 256k DD
    1995 Saturn SC2 M/T 234k given to nephew, just got parked fully functional -- slated for turbo
    2008 Saturn Vue XR A/T 103k 3-5-R then totalled at 5 mph
    1992 Saturn SL2 M/T 42k traded in to to get the 97 SC2 above
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProDarwin View Post
    Clutch Kit: LUK RepSet: pt# 04115 $82.79 (clutch disk, press. Plate, TOB, alignment tool)

    That's where my list would start and end. Flywheel only if something were wrong with it. Everything else can be replaced easily later if there is an issue.
    I would follow the above advice, but would suggest doing the axle seals. I have never had very good luck getting them to seal the second time around.

    Also, I feel it is a very good idea to do the rear main. Saturns are especially easy to pull the trans on, but on more difficult vehicles, its a ~$7 part and you are already there. I strongly suggest replacing it, name 1 viable reason you shouldnt?

    You technically dont have to pull the axles either. Possible to do the clutch just by undoing the knuckle/strut and folding everything out of the way.

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    Axle seals is a good idea. They're WAY easier to install when you have the trans already moving around.
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    So add the Axle Seals

    Timken 4614N 3.90
    Timken 4613N 3.63

    and the rear main (it does have a VERY small leak and has for a long time...)

    FEL-PRO BS40464

    and the final list is
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    Clutch Kit: LUK RepSet: pt# 04115 $82.79 (clutch disk, press. Plate, TOB, alignment tool)
    Flywheel: LUK pt# LFW174 $37.39
    Mst/Slv LUK pt# CRS001 $71.79 (Filled/pre-bled)
    Axle (output shaft) seal L Timken 4613N $3.63
    Axle (output shaft) seal R Timken 4614N $3.90
    Rear Main Seal: Fel-Pro BS40464 $ 15.30

    Shripping $ 11.99
    Source: RockAuto SubT: $226.79
    -------
    Shift Tower Gasket GM 21001244 $ 5.71
    Trans Mnt GM 21012951 $ 41.38

    Shripping $ 10.30

    Source: GMPartsNow SubT: $ 57.39
    ------

    Total, parts n shripping: $284.18
    --------------------------------
    Will I need

    1) an axle shaft seal installer tool?
    2) seal puller tool for axle seals and/or rear main seal?
    3) a rear main seal installer tool?

    Thanks again, guys.

    Really need to know about the tools as I'd like to pull the trigger later this week, have the parts by Monday, get the rear glass replaced next week and do the clutch over the weekend.
    If I do need more tools and they start getting expensive then I may take my parts to a mechanic I know who will just charge me for labor and be done with it.
    1997 Saturn SC2 M/T 256k DD
    1995 Saturn SC2 M/T 234k given to nephew, just got parked fully functional -- slated for turbo
    2008 Saturn Vue XR A/T 103k 3-5-R then totalled at 5 mph
    1992 Saturn SL2 M/T 42k traded in to to get the 97 SC2 above
    ----------
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    And I'm about to break
    I need a little room to breathe
    Cause I'm one step closer to the edge
    And I'm about to break

    Shut up when I'm talking to you
    Shut up, shut up, shut up
    Shut up when I'm talking to you
    Shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up

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    Quote Originally Posted by SC2Sick View Post
    Axle seals is a good idea. They're WAY easier to install when you have the trans already moving around.
    Agreed.

    In my case the original tranny was a fairly old ('92 SL2) and the axle seals were very brittle so the lip seal cracked easily.


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    You can remove all the seals with some patience and flat heads. But purchasing the right tool for the job is never a bad idea! I always use the old seal and a rubber mallet as a driver for the new seal. Need some care and due diligence here to prevent deforming (permanently) the new seal.

    Also, I've messed with these cars for ~13yrs, I have NEVER replaced the shift tower gasket. If yours is leaking, sure. If it isnt, dont mess with it; just pop the cables off the trans case and shift levers.
    Last edited by arthursc2; 02-01-2017 at 09:58 AM.

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    Good lord. The first clutch I did in the wagon, was a $40 clutch disk from AutoZone. And that's all I changed. Didn't even resurface the flywheel. Just hit it with a roloc pad, and slapped the shit back together. That clutch lasted me about 5k before I boosted the car, then I put 10k on it with over 200hp to the tires.

    You have almost as much in parts as I paid for my wagon.
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    ^Our clutch on the lemons car was "the best" of a pile of used clutches laying around and "the best" of a pile of used flywheels

    Still, I won't fault the OP for going overkill if he only has one opportunity to do it with the right tools/with help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProDarwin View Post

    Still, I won't fault the OP for going overkill if he only has one opportunity to do it with the right tools/with help.
    Means
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    No piles of shit used parts to pick through.

    Never heard anyone refer to a full rebuild with brand new parts as "overkill".
    It's my DD and I cannot afford it breaking down. The $$ I spent are less than a car payment. Pretty straightforward.

    The only person I need justify this strategy to is the OP
    1997 Saturn SC2 M/T 256k DD
    1995 Saturn SC2 M/T 234k given to nephew, just got parked fully functional -- slated for turbo
    2008 Saturn Vue XR A/T 103k 3-5-R then totalled at 5 mph
    1992 Saturn SL2 M/T 42k traded in to to get the 97 SC2 above
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    And I'm about to break
    I need a little room to breathe
    Cause I'm one step closer to the edge
    And I'm about to break

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    Don't worry man, you're on the right track. This is the only forum I have ever joined that prides themself in how cheaply and shitty they can perform a mediocre job: like a clutch.

    Do it your way. But as many parts as you want to put on your car. I for one, fully support you in your decision to replace parts while you're in there

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    Quote Originally Posted by derf View Post
    OK, time to tackle this before there's no time to get this to my buddy's lift.

    Below is my proposed shopping list which I'm ready to pull the trigger on ---pending input from the forum.
    The only thing not addressed that I am aware of is how we will support the engine while the car is on the lift and the tranny is off.

    I plan to follow Chris Thomas' and Ssicarman's writeups (seems like some plagiarism going on there but whatever) --doing w engine in the car. Unless there are other suggestions -- I am all ears.

    Please comment/critique/bash/compliment/meh the list below and kindly let me know if it looks like a go or if there is a grave omission, please point it out.
    Never changed a clutch before and don't have time to screw this up.

    Thanks

    Derf

    ------------

    Clutch Kit: LUK RepSet: pt# 04115 $82.79 (clutch disk, press. Plate, TOB, alignment tool)
    Flywheel: LUK pt# LFW174 $37.39 (Is this truly necessary?)
    Mst/Slv LUK pt# CRS001 $71.79 (Filled/pre-bled)
    Shripping $17.99
    Source: RockAuto SubT: $209.96
    -------
    Shift Tower Gasket GM 21001244 $ 5.71
    Trans Mnt GM 21012951 $ 41.38
    Shripping $ 10.30
    Source: GMPartsNow SubT: $ 57.39
    ------
    Lisle 39510 30mm Axle Nut Socket $15.98
    Shripping $0
    Source: Amazon SubT: $15.98

    Total, parts n tools n shripping: $283.33

    I don't see and turbo parts on this list....that could be a problem.
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