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    It actually has the whole mp2. Not just the fifth gear. Bought it with it in it. So essentially the only difference in the two is the engine, slight tire difference, an the white one being lowered on the springs.

    Went 218 Miles down an part way back from where they were at.

    Checked all the tires an oil an junk. Both ran with a/c's on the whole time with the cruise's set to about 65 most of the time. Bout 40-50 miles blazin down the interstate at 75..

    The white single cam took 5.7 gallons while the gold took 5.3..
    comes out bein-
    41.13 on the gold
    38.24 on the white one.

    Not far off. But the twin cam sure does pull the hills a lot better. That's where I think it made up the most ground against the single.
    Startin to think I should've/should build a stockish twin cam for the white one.lol.




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    Well.. I did the Wyoming trip.. ended up getting shorted 135 miles. Really pissed me off. I finally get a high dollar trip I keep hearing about, then get shorted 175$..
    was a 1200 mile round trip. The worst mileage I got out in the big hills was 36 the best I got was out on the interstate at 60-65 was 44..




    Pretty cool driveway/backroad where we dropped it off.



    I29 has a speed limit of 80mph.. that was fun tryin to keep up speed through them long steep hills.


    Then after all the disappointment.. it sure looked like chimney rock was givin me the finger. Lol




    That was actually a while ago, just never got around to updating.


    But it's not lookin good anymore. "My" truck driver, the asshole, 2 timing, cheap ass fucker.. chose to use his young ,cheap , Colorado escort to take him around the loop and into Colorado. They were about 2 blocks to drop off and caught the power lines.. his dumbass escort didn't see it an they tore about 3 poles down, plus a copacitor or something an killed power to the whole town.(I'm told about 2k people).. so needless to say, they get a court date. "My" driver will probably be fired.(second wreck this year, last one I wasn't there either). And the way it sounds, is the company might be denied to haul out there anymore...

    So,,, shits lookin like shit... dad had a trip today out to the Colorado line. So they're still haulin that way. But for how long. Idk... but I do know I should probably find some different work to get by.










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    Sheesh! Move to Omaha? Plenty of work here.
    It's not my fault, blame the radiation.

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    Well, dug the wagon out of the barn couple days ago after sitting for a couple months.

    The front drivers strut/spring rubber or whatever started squeekin.

    Battery keeps dying. Has a parasitic draw I believe from my overhead counsel.

    An my wires broke at the plug to my mic. Lol. No idea how that one happened just sittin.


    But ounce I get these little issues sorted I wanna get a high output alt, an put my subs an amp in, An get the windows tinted for this next round.



    Went to Topeka yesterday after I checked everything over. Bout 450 mile round trip. Still managed 40mpg, but felt it should of been better. Forgot how good this thing drives compared to my big dodge. Was nice to get out again.







    Had a little trouble tryin to get the half in to where they wanted it.. so they brought out the reinforcement.lol





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    Ohh, and I sold my gold wagon this last weekend to the ol' lady's cousin cause their f150 took a shit on him. So now I'm back down to just my white wagon now.


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    Been a while since I updated.
    Car still runs good. Got a knock sensor code about 3,000 miles ago, but hasn't come back. Although it is noisier than the one that froze up before. And burns more oil. Has a little over 187k on the odo, so I got about 20k overall on it since I got it. And about 10k on the motor Since I put it in.

    Been using it for a daily work car now. Got me a new job sandblasting and setting memorials/monuments. Mainly grave stones. Bout a 30 mile trip one way. Kinda nice knowing when I'm gonna work, and when a check comes in. Hopin to save up an buy me a dual cam parts car with a shot trans or somethin like that an get it changed over. But for now. She's a trooper.





    The shop rig. Lol. Lame ass ford



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    Was givin our 9yo some big inner lessons on rotating tires an checkin oil ect. He's a natural.

    Goin back down to McCook again today. See how she does on a big(ger) trip again.



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    The flaggin' waggon

    I was just in mccook yesterday. Lol. My shop is west of there. Good to see the wagon is still running.


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    i dont understand why my 94 SW2 A/T with only 40,000 miles only gets 24mpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by TTNilsson View Post
    i dont understand why my 94 SW2 A/T with only 40,000 miles only gets 24mpg
    Have you replaced the ECTS and ensured the connector is not fouled? Is your thermostat leaking? Both of these will give you poor fuel mileage as the PCM is getting a reading that your engine is too cold and it increases fuel delivery. The factory installed ECTS has a resin tip that is known to crack and leak coolant into the connector resulting in false readings. Thermostat seals break down over time and cause the thermostat to leak coolant when it should be closed to keep the engine at optimum temperature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trottida View Post
    Have you replaced the ECTS and ensured the connector is not fouled? Is your thermostat leaking? Both of these will give you poor fuel mileage as the PCM is getting a reading that your engine is too cold and it increases fuel delivery. The factory installed ECTS has a resin tip that is known to crack and leak coolant into the connector resulting in false readings. Thermostat seals break down over time and cause the thermostat to leak coolant when it should be closed to keep the engine at optimum temperature.
    I will try a new ECTS this weekend, nothing leaks other than the weepy trans filter. The car runs at 1/4 on the temp gauge unless I'm in southern California traffic then it will eventually get up to 3/4-9/16 then it kicks the fan on

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    Quote Originally Posted by TTNilsson View Post
    I will try a new ECTS this weekend, nothing leaks other than the weepy trans filter. The car runs at 1/4 on the temp gauge unless I'm in southern California traffic then it will eventually get up to 3/4-9/16 then it kicks the fan on
    You won't see a thermostat leak. It is there to keep the coolant within the block until 188F at which time is begins to open allowing coolant into the radiator to be cooled. If you're coolant is not warm enough and the thermostat is leaking then your engine is too cool. To check your thermostat, from a cold engine start the car and then put your hand on the lower radiator hose just after the thermostat. If it gets warm within a minute or two then your thermostat is leaking. It generally takes several minutes for your coolant to get up to operating temperatures before the thermostat opens. A GEN1 like your 95 should run with the temp gauge reading a couple needle widths below 1/2. The reading your getting is a symptom of bad ECTS and/or bad ECTS connector and/or bad thermostat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trottida View Post
    You won't see a thermostat leak. It is there to keep the coolant within the block until 188F at which time is begins to open allowing coolant into the radiator to be cooled. If you're coolant is not warm enough and the thermostat is leaking then your engine is too cool. To check your thermostat, from a cold engine start the car and then put your hand on the lower radiator hose just after the thermostat. If it gets warm within a minute or two then your thermostat is leaking. It generally takes several minutes for your coolant to get up to operating temperatures before the thermostat opens. A GEN1 like your 95 should run with the temp gauge reading a couple needle widths below 1/2. The reading your getting is a symptom of bad ECTS and/or bad ECTS connector and/or bad thermostat.
    Well I couldn't wait until the weekend so I changed both the sender and the sensor and behold the bottom one is the lower sensor (2 wire) and the top one is the sensor I tried to replace it with the the plug was wrong so I used a different that i had that did fit. looks identical to the top one in the pic but black plastic instead of grey. I did replace both sensors
    ECTS.jpg

    but like you said the factory one had the resin tip and was cracked. I will see if that helps my mpg.
    I will check the lower rad hose tonight after I get off work.

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    So I felt the lower rad hose after 10 min of idling and it was still cool and the temp gauge was a little below 1/4
    I will change the thermostat this weekend to see it it makes any difference

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    If it is really cold out the old saturn engines don't warm up too fast at idle. They need a little driving to get some heat into them. The aluminum transfers heat faster than iron does...being that saturn used all aluminum in the blocks and heads, they can dissipate heat to a cold engine bay pretty quickly.
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    @TTNilsson What does the connector look like that was connected to that cracked sensor. If it is all fouled up with coolant like the one pictured below you should replace that too but make sure you solder the wires into the harness; don't use crimp connectors. The circuit is sensitive and is responsible for communicating the engine temperature to the computer for fuel management.

    It sounds to me that your thermostat is okay. If it was leaking you would feel some heat in that hose within a couple minutes.

    Last edited by trottida; 02-12-2019 at 10:47 AM.
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