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    2006 Vue Redline - "Sensible" bad decisions

    Because towing all of my crap with the Splaturn wasn't necessarily an option if I get this new gig in Columbus, IN, I found this RL in southern Indiana with 60K on it. It has some cosmetic issues, but whatever:

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    The plan right now is to do several maintenance items, install a hitch, and replace/repaint any jacked panels. The rear bumper has grey adhesive embedded into it due to having a little scratch guard on there that came off. So between that, fixing the LR door, adding a spoiler, and lowering it, it'll be an ideal beater and spiritual successor to Marc's ride on here
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    Nice find! Get some sway-bars on that thing! And definitely some spring rate. Those things have terrible body roll. Other then that I was always impressed with the Honda drivetrain.


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    I tried looking for aftermarket swaybars, but nada. Let me know if you have heard otherwise.
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    By cosmetic issues, do you mean it is ugly as sin?

    There aren't any aftermarket bars. Your best bet is to weld a piece of angle iron onto the stock rear bar. The front one is very difficult to stiffen because it looks like it's been in a train wreck already.

    There is only one brand of drop spring (megan racing). Although the wheel gap is measured in feet, there actually isn't a ton of room to lower them without putting the underside pretty close to the ground and also eating up all of the compression travel left in the struts.

    Brett is right though, they *need* spring rate. Awful body roll and handling dynamics. Like so much it will make you seasick.

    On the plus side, you probably have a while before you encounter transmission problems.

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    The Megan springs should be here next week, but I'm looking for some rear dampers to help with the increased rear spring rate/increased loads when towing.
    After combing through the SF threads and seeing the popular option of "air lift" bags in place of the bump stops. Not really interested in that.

    KYB has a handy site (https://www.kyb.com/catalog/) to look up dampers based on vehicle.
    I checked out the Equinox and it has the KYB Gas-a-just upgrade listed: 554353
    The only reason to go with the gas-a-just is for increased damping over the Excel-G.

    My only concern is that the shock mounts are different between the Vue and Equinox.
    Theres a 0.6mm difference in the bushing diameter. Think it'll clunk around too much?

    Vue Excel-G Shock Specs (Part #: 343433)
    Extended Length (in) 21.65
    Compressed Length (in) 13.38
    Stroke Length (in) 8.27
    Dust Cover Included Yes
    Rebound Stop Yes
    Compressed Bump Stop No
    Upper Mount Type E2(12.2x42)
    Lower Mount Type E2(12.2x42)

    Equinox Excel-G Shock Specs (Part #: 345055)
    Extended Length (in) 21.54
    Compressed Length (in) 13.39
    Stroke Length (in) 8.15
    Dust Cover Included Yes
    Rebound Stop Yes
    Compressed Bump Stop No
    Upper Mount Type E2(12.8x43)
    Lower Mount Type E2(12.8x43)

    Equinox Gas-a-just Rear Shock Specs (Part #: 554353)
    Extended Length (in) 21.14
    Compressed Length (in) 13.78
    Stroke Length (in) 7.36
    Dust Cover Included Yes
    Rebound Stop Yes
    Compressed Bump Stop No
    Upper Mount Type E2(12x43)
    Lower Mount Type E2(12.8x43)
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    I did a forum search on SF and found this:
    http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/sho...ghlight=554353

    Looks like someone already confirmed this fitment.
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    I went out this morning and pulled a rear sway bar off of a '10 Equinox. There was a 1st gen Equinox behind it, so I took a picture of the stock setup, pulled that bar off and compared it to the '10 bar.

    OE setup.jpg
    The '10 bar is the clean looking one
    OE vs Equinox.jpg



    The newer bar is obviously different [an extra 90* bend] and when mounted up easily contacts the subframe and control arm when rotated.
    I tried to mount it over the subframe, but the AWD mount/system got in the way on the car at the yard.
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    I cut that AWD bracket off my subframe and made a video of what we're dealing with now:

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    But then there's the theory side of this where I'm creating a longer lever arm by keeping that 90* bend/arm on there OR if the material is softer.
    It would be interesting if I could cut that extra bend off and find a shop to press the material flat on the end for a new bolt location.

    But Im not sure what part of the bar is hollow or if thats even possible.
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    I kept the endlinks from the Equinox, so I may just bolt things together as it is and just see what it feels like despite it rubbing on the frame.

    possibility.jpg

    ***edit

    On second thought, I think if I make a spacer to move the bar more toward the back of the car, it would help use that bend to clear the subframe.
    Guess I'll need some flat stock tomorrow.
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    I finished the install on the new bar. The result, besides the muffler clunking on the brackets and the bar rubbing on the control arm when its on the ground, is a very neutral turning characteristic which is much improved over the understeer I had before on tight turns. Hitting my favorite offramp clover leaf turn, at the limit of the All-Season grip it felt pretty solid and neutral.

    I had to space the bar back with a 3/8" plate and raise the endlink with a 15mm spacer to keep the bar off the control arm.
    The endlink angle is pretty vertical while the car is on the ground, but the bar is rubbing on the arms, so I'll need to add more spacers or get another endlink to rotate the bar further upward to fix that.

    on ground.jpg

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    The rear bar will need more work. Needs more clearance from the subframe and control arm under large compression of the rear suspension. To be continued
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    Looking good though! I like it, that was always my biggest complaint with the vue.


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    How much stiffer are you expecting the new bar to be?

    https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/fo.../140663/page1/

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    if the lever arm and material are the same, and the diameter is all that changed, it should be about 40-50% stiffer based on the calculation I did, which got deleted from my spreadsheet...lol

    That article is a good test to physically measure the performance, not just making assumptions and using a formula.
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    Well the final iteration of the Equinox bar is in place. Its no longer rubbing on the control arm or banging on the subframe. The ride quality is pretty nice when the rear suspension can actually travel Like I said before, the handling is completely neutral with the stock tires at their traction limits [55mph around an off ramp]. It feels good if you whip it in a tight right hand turn at low speed, but anything else is still lackluster. So its time to determine my next steps!

    I picked up a 5th gen camaro rear bar to see how it would fit on the Vue. The bar is 3" wider than the Vue bar and has roughly an inch clearance before it contacts the coil spring. Ill need to flip the direction of the endlink to face the wheel and cut the threads down. I think that using a camaro bar will be my next direction as Pedders USA makes a 32mm bar for the 5th gens.

    I'll order shit once I settle down at my new place in Indiana.

    ***edit***

    Found a yard with a 28mm ZL1 rear bar. Might try that out for 50 bucks vs. buying the enormous 32 mil bar. lol
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